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    14 October 2008


    David Behrel


    I agree that the video is disturbing, especially when you compare it to this video of sophisticated, tolerant and peace loving liberals.

    I thought Obama was suppose to be the guy that brings everyone together. Maybe a hard left Socialist with close relationships with despicable anti-American losers like Wright and Ayers isn’t gonna be the bridge builder you thought he’d be. Oh well. You can always fall back on silencing dissention by force like most other Communist countries.

    David Behrel

    BTW: Do you honestly find this video disturbing?


    dave! hi -- it's muzammil. i was trying to email you (to say hi), but i don't seem to have your email address. shoot me an email sometime

    also, ever heard of strongsville ohio? i grew up there, class of 2004. this was a sad day for my neighborhood:

    dave Wilcox

    Hey, Dave. I've missed you! I thought we were in this together.

    Liberals in NYC yell go home and flip off people exercising their right of free speech by promoting McCain. Meanwhile, as was just reported today, again, people at Palin rallies are yelling "Kill him!" and "Off with his head." No comparison, my brother. You know it as well as I do.

    As for Louis F., he calls Obama the messiah. Pat Robertson, friend of McCain, says he God tells him all kinds of things like how gays are responsible for 9/11. Two crazy religious nutbags. Neither is worth consideration by you or me, IMHO.

    What's disturbing in the video I posted is the utter ignorance of so many people. "Obama's a muslin. Obama's a terrorist." Spoon fed far right idiocy. You know it and I know it. This whole anti-intellectual thing, like in your video, would be funny if not scary. Yeah, we want idiots running the country. No thanks, been there for the last eight years. You know it, and I know it.

    People have had enough. I won't bother with Ayers because that's equally laughable. Being appointed to a board to evaluate education with a guy does not make him palling around with terrorists. You know it. I know it.

    Sorry. This isn't breaking your. way, and the GOP made their own future here.

    David Behrel

    You missed me? I thought I was giving you a well deserved break. Actually, I was giving myself a break.

    Regarding the comparison of the two video’s: First of all, from what I could tell, the “Kill Him,” and “Off with his head” invectives hurled by the McCain supporters were directed towards Bill Ayers at the mention of his name, not Obama. This is a clarification that you may not agree with. But more importantly, your video highlights a handful of nuts out of thousands attending the McCain rally. My video highlights the actions of nearly 100% of the crowd hanging out in what is essentially the cultural and intellectual heart of the liberal world. Your video highlights the inappropriate action and nature of my fringe. My video highlights your core. Liberals are intolerant. I know it. Now you know it.

    Also, you wrote: “But it sure says a lot about the McCain-Palin campaign that they tacitly endorse this shit by not disavowing it” McCain has disavowed it.

    [Actually this stuff makes for a great SNL skit. McCain needing to constantly apologize for the remarks from nuts in his audience. My campaign advice on this one: Don’t let go of the mike.}

    Louis F. vs Pat Robertson? I’d argue the comparison but I’ll concede to tabling them both. One question though. If Obama is elected, would you be comfortable with him welcoming Farrakun (or Ayers or Wright) to the White House?

    Regarding “What's disturbing in the video I posted is the utter ignorance of so many people.” You probably don’t have to listen to the Howard Stern “Harlem” interviews to agree that this is true on both sides.

    Another question. Do you think Obama was ever a Muslim?

    You also said, “Yeah, we want idiots running the country. No thanks, been there for the last eight years.” This is conjecture. My conjecture would revise this statement to “been there for the last two years.”

    And finally, you said “I won't bother with Ayers because that's equally laughable. Being appointed to a board to evaluate education with a guy does not make him palling around with terrorists.”

    I’m sure you understand that “Palling around” is a campaign euphemism for a “troubling relationship” with a terrorist. I find it troubling. Maybe you don’t which is fine. But even CNN is reporting that Obama’s ties to Ayers are considerably more extensive then he or his campaign are admitting.
    Are you believing Obama’s spin, or spreading it yourself?
    If nothing else, you might agree that Obama’s far left track record, coupled with his radical past, does not qualify him as “The One” that will bring this Country together. I know it. Now you know it.

    dave Wilcox

    I believe that you believe you are right.

    I know, a re-run. But so is the whole argument. So that brings me to another more popular cliche: We'll have to agree to disagree.

    But we do agree on one thing: There is no shortage of ignorance on either side. Some of this speaks to the fact that some people are just plain uneducated dopes. Some of this speaks to the fact that many people do not like or are scared of people not like themselves... whether that's because the "others" are of a different social strata, ethnic or national background, or educational/intellectual capacity. Some people just like to hate, which makes them look stupid.

    All that said, its hard to argue that the country is a mess. We need some serious, wholesale change. It's not going to come, in my opinion, from the Republicans running for top office. I'm glad that, at least at the moment, I'm finally in the majority.

    It's interesting to me to think back on my voting record in presidential elections. I first had the chance to vote for president in 1980. Since that time, I voted for Reagan twice, then GHW Bush twice. I even voted for Bush after Pat Buchanan told the GOP convention, more or less, that I was (as homo) evil, in 1992. I opted for Clinton the for his second term because things were going pretty well for the US. I considered myself as a Republican cross-over. Then I felt more like an independent, way too skeptical of GW Bush in 2000 (even though I thought about it and was undecided for a while). The Republicans have done NOTHING to get me to return to the fold. McCain came close in 2000. But he fucking blew it this time around. You know that you know that you know that is what you know. (Channeling Rumsfeld now!).

    Louis F might be sharing invocation and benediction duties with Rev Wright at the inauguration. Oh, to dream.

    Good to have you back as a foil.


    why bother with the behrel guy dw? it's so clear that he's just throwing shit at the wall now.

    don't waste your time.

    dave wilcox

    be nice s

    David Behrel

    Here's an update:

    Sparks, Nice substance. Maybe try "Oh Yeah?!" next time.

    dave wilcox

    Well, that knocks down one item. Let's see if we can put the other several dozens to rest... especially the ones in the videos.


    DB, post something about, oh i dunno, issues maybe, and we can go from there. all you are is a troll that says "oh yeah" but in about 500+ words. ayers. youtube counterpunches. blah blah blah. sucks to be losing and have nothing to run on.

    did you see the post-debate polls. not so good for negative ads and whining about non-issue distractions. people tend not to gravitate toward candidates who distort the truth (or make shit up).

    mccain was pathetic last night. if he and the hockeymom get elected, this country is so fucked. but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. why? becasue people want a change from the reagan/bush/bush bad economics. they want out of a war we lied our way into. they want to know that the top 2% who made their money on the backs of everyone else are going to have to pay a little more in taxes to fix things. biden was right: sometimes it is patriotic to pay more taxes.

    you know if you go to blogspot or typepad or livejournal you can have your own blog to share your wisdom with the masses.

    David Behrel

    And you can try to put these to rest: (I’m cheating by cutting and pasting from a Michelle Malkin column regarding the hypocrisy and feigned outrage from the MSM (and yourself) regarding the above topic.)

    Speaking of "violent escalation of rhetoric" you never hear about:
    * Obama supporters in Philadelphia sported "Sarah Palin is a [vulgar word for female genitalia]" T-shirts and yelled, "Let's stone her, old school" over the weekend.
    * An Internet artist has designated Palin an "MILP" - "Mother I'd Like to Punch" - and published a drawing of a man's fist knocking a tooth out of the Alaska governor's mouth and the glasses off her face.
    * "ABORT Palin" graffiti has sprouted on the sidewalks of Seattle, and "Abort Sarah Palin" bumper stickers are spreading in Web stores.
    * Palin-bashing Madonna performs before an audience of thousands, screeching and threatening to "kick her a--."
    * Getty Images publishes a photo of a man pointing a fake gun at the head of a cardboard cutout of Palin on display at the Brooklyn Waterfront Artists Coalition building.
    And no one blinks. Not a peep from the Obamedia.
    But when Palin simply spotlights Obama's longtime relationship with Weather Underground terrorist Bill "We Didn't Do Enough" Ayers?
    "Inciting violence," frets NBC reporter Ron Allen. "Concerned . . . for Sen. Obama's safety," agonizes ABC reporter Terry Moran. "Beyond the pale," cries Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. As if the no-holds-barred Obama campaign has ever had a rhetorical pale to stake.

    David Behrel


    Apparently they allow students at your Middle School to go on line during recess. Maybe you should go out and play kickball with the other kids instead. Or have you had one too many wedgies already this year. BTW: Do you get the keyboard wet with all the froth coming out of you mouth while ranting?

    Dave did mention “ we do agree on one thing: There is no shortage of ignorance on either side. Some of this speaks to the fact that some people are just plain uneducated dopes.”
    Thanks for helping prove his point. But I’ll give you a chance to redeem yourself. You said “they want to know that the top 2% who made their money on the backs of everyone else are going to have to pay a little more in taxes to fix things.” Question. What percentage of Federal Income tax collected do you think comes from the top 2% of earners?

    You also said “biden was right: sometimes it is patriotic to pay more taxes.” And maybe someday, after you graduate high school, you can contribute too.


    the top 1% is close to 30% so i'll estimate it at somewhere in the high 30s or low 40s. i'll let you correct me since you wouldn't ask if you didn't already know.

    funny you'd blow me shit with your oh yeah comment and then decide to go for the mccain tactics of being a jackass. worked well for him last night.

    David Behrel

    I;ll give you a pass on "High 30's low 40's." Probably about 42%. So as far as you're concerned, they're not contributing enough? How much more should they be giving?
    And will you be "Patriotic" this year by sending back your refund check if you get one, or sending in more to Uncle Sam then they ask for? Remember, spreading the wealth around is a good thing.
    I'll admit to being an ass, but IMO, you set the tone of the conversation. I don't mind it if you don't.

    Dave Wilcox

    Boys, stop it. You're both pretty. Jeez.

    I'm going to let you two fight this one out since your both getting a little to sophomoric.

    Plus, the mention of Michelle Malkin as a credible source makes me queasy so I have to go lie down.

    Moving on.

    (BTW, this may be a record for a Kerfuffle comment thread, though I doubt it will make the hall of fame.)

    David Behrel

    I think this last one might be what it takes to set the new record, so it should make the HOF for that reason alone.
    RE: Michelle Malkin. Accusing someone of not being "credible" because you don't agree with them does not an opened mind and enlighted veiw point make. And this from someone who reads the Koz Kids and thinks Keith Oberman is a journalist?

    dave wilcox

    I don't just read the Koz Kids; I am a Koz Kid.

    I don't cite Olberman, Koz, Koz Kids, or any other pundit as a source of fact like you did with Michelle Malkin. She is no different than them. Indeed, I don't agree with her, nor Hannity, nor O'Reilly. Show me where I said Oblerman was a journalist. Show me where HE said he is a journalist.

    Usually if you look for it, you can find a credible news source for something a pundit is parroting... if its true. So that's my suggestion to you when putting up facts or something you honestly believe to be factual.

    It is totally cool/fine to cite a pundit/commentator for their views, as long as you yourself recognize that whether David Brooks or EJ Dionne or whoever, it is a comment you are citing. In your defense, though, you did call yourself out by cheating for cutting and pasting from one of Malkin's steaming pile of columns, so I'll let it slide.

    Have a great weekend!

    BTW, is it Thursdays that are NOT good for you? I may be in MKE next Thursday evening.


    why oh why do you even bother?

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